21st October 2001, Volume 8, Issue 14

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Interviewpic1.jpg (17779 bytes) "Chandrika, responsible for economic collapse" 

by Wilson Gnanadass 

The latest development in today's politics is the 'cross over' of politicians from one party to another. After nine members of parliament crossed the floor in parliament, about two weeks ago, last week, former Sports Minister Lakshman

Kiriella also quit the Sri Lanka Freedom Party (SLFP), a party he has been serving for more than 20 years, and joined the United National Party (UNP). He pointed out that from the word 'go' there has been a conspiracy engineered by President Chandrika Kumaratunga to get to the top rung of the party. He says it is Sirimavo Bandaranaike who should have been constitutionally invited by former President D.B.Wijetunge to form the government and not Chandrika Kumaratunga, who in his view lacked any parliamentary or political experience. He says though senior members like him knew about this flaw, they did not want to upset the party by pointing it out at that time, because after 17 long years, the country was able to see a change of governance.

He also says President Kumaratunga was not the prime ministerial candidate for D.B.Wijetunge to hand over powers to her. "Like me, many others were disappointed but of course we did not make a big fuss. The party was not professionally handled. We tried to correct things but failed. I finally decided to leave the party because there was a non-professional approach to governance. On the other hand now I am glad to be with the opposition leader Ranil Wickremesinghe whom I have known from the age of 10 from Royal college. I know he has a vision for the country," he told The Sunday Leader. 

Following are excerpts; 

Q: What made you leave the SLFP and join the UNP? 

A: The basic reason is the handling of the economy and the unprofessional approach to governance. As far as I am concerned there has never been a professional approach to anything that the PA did. For instance, President Kumaratunga never came for anything on time. Sometimes we are asked to come at 9.00 am but the meeting starts at 12.00 noon. There have been many times when I have slept in the president's house. This has been going on for the past six to seven years. And that is why the economy of the country is in this pitiful state. There are no foreign investments coming. The PA made it worse by linking up with the JVP. You see, the PA was bad enough but linking up with the JVP made it even worse. 

During my period in the industries ministry I saw a large number of industries closing up. If you take the PA manifesto and go through one by one, you will see that none of them have been implemented. The north-east war, eradication of the cost of living, giving employment to the unemployed etc,. all those promises have not been kept. And my reason to join the UNP was that I found out that the leader of the opposition Hon. Ranil Wickremesinghe had a vision for the country and I think that under his leadership we could revive the economy which is the most important thing in a country. 

Q: At what stage did you feel or find out that there was poor governance in the country under the PA? 

A: To be frank I have been having this feeling for quite some time. Her Excellency always had left of centre ideas. I personally felt that she could never pursue a genuine economic policy. Because her heart was not for an open economy. From 1989 we were branded as right wing because from this time onwards we have been telling that the SLFP should follow the open economy. We also at that time said that the best person who could manage the open economy should lead the country. In President Kumaratunga's case she had left of centre leanings. This is why President Kumaratunga failed because an open economy was not even close to her heart. 

Q: Do you say that the selection of leadership of the party was wrong? 

A: Yes. That is what I should say. In 1994 the selection for the party leadership was flawed. This is why we were marginalised and not made use of. We were bold enough to say that the person who had knowledge on an open economy should lead the party. 

Q: So in your view, from the word 'go' there had been problems within the party over the leadership? 

A: Yes. Because Chandrika Kumaratunga never was interested in an open economy. She did not believe in the importance of the private sector. Q: But why could you not point out these things to the President at that time? And why now? 

We tried but failed. During the first term we thought, with the kind of advisors she had, she would resort to adapting herself to the policies of the market economy but nothing happened. We also found out that even the so called advisors were left of centre who could not give her good advice. 

Q: Some of the members who crossed over to the UNP say that President Kumaratunga's governance was based on the advice given to her by a few officials and not even cabinet ministers. Is it true? 

A: Yes. She would not even listen to the ministers but a few officials. Those officials gave her dead ropes.

Q: We understand that President Kumaratunga tried to persuade you to remain in the SLFP. What made you not concede her request in view of your family relationships? 

A: Yes, for the last few days she has been telephoning me asking me to stay back. But I told her that I have made my decision for the sake of the country. As I said earlier the PA has not fulfilled anything that is mentioned in its manifesto. Can you point out just one? 

Q: When President Kumaratunga sliced the jumbo sized cabinet and reduced the number from 40 to 20, you were overlooked for Dr. Sarath Amunugama. Now has this by any means seriously affected you and the SLFP especially in the Kandy district? 

A: Yes, I was the minister for just eleven months and the work I had begun was short lived. At least President Kumaratunga should have consulted us and told us that she had a difficulty. Then at least I could have been the deputy minister of sports. Now, I started a stadium at Pallekele and that is stopped half way. I have already spent 50 million rupees and that is half way. I had a grand plan for national reconciliation through sports. You know for the first time youths from Jaffna took part in the Kurunegala sports festival. 

I always believed that the best tool for national reconciliation is sports. I always believed that schools were the cradle for sports and for a country like Sri Lanka which is not rich, I think the schools are the best place to start from. So I had a special programme particularly for football. So when we had ideas to improve the country she should not have pushed us from pillar to post. Our portfolios were changed as and when she wanted. This affects the country in particular. For instance when I was in charge of the Tourism ministry I got down 10,000 visitors from London during the English cricket team tour. Now this is unheard of. So we were able to boost tourism by doing this. But when we are pushed from all sides how could we do anything properly? 

Q: Would you describe the PA administration as a 'one woman show' considering the fact senior members like you, are being pushed from pillar to post? 

A: I may not describe it that way but what I could say is that she is sometimes reckless and acts without proper consultation. 

Q: What would you say are the major shortcomings of the PA? 

A: You see the captain must set the pace. If this happens, other things will fall in line. The main reason for the PA's failure is the non-professional approach to governance, to put it in a nutshell. Governance is a serious business. It is not a joke. I have practised as a lawyer for 20 years in Kandy. We took the entire day's programme very seriously. We did work according to strict timing. We never kept people waiting for hours. 

Q: During the period you served as a minister, were you able to act freely or were you stifled at every turn by the president? 

A: I must say that I was given the freedom as a minister. I had no problem with regard to that. I must concede that I was given the freedom. The president never interfered in my work. 

Q: Now that you have joined the UNP, have you planned to contest the forthcoming elections? 

A: Yes. I hope to contest from Gampola in the Kandy district. I am sure there will be a shift of 10 to 15,000 votes after I start to campaign. Because I have practised as a lawyer for 20 years and I have been a member of SLFP since 1989 and I have helped lot of people personally, irrespective of politics and I feel I could make a difference. 

Q: We understand that some 40,000 votes were stuffed during the last elections in the Kandy district. You even admitted this fact, at a press conference last week. But what did you do about it at that time? 

A: We spoke against it. In fact, even the PA secretary D.M.Jayaratne spoke against it. But nothing happened. In fact the worst thing is that as a result of this kind of act, the Tamil member who contested who should have been elected, was not elected. So this has severely affected the Tamil representation in parliament. Mr.Rajaratnam should have been in parliament. But he was prevented from this because of this fraud. 

Q: If you were dissatisfied with the PA performance, why could you not at least cross the floor along with nine other PA members who did so about two weeks ago?

A: I did not want to betray anybody. But I have been telling the opposition leader that any time there will be a future election that I will be with him. 

Q: How do you feel joining a new party after having served one for more than 20 years? 

A: As far as both PA and UNP are concerned, both parties have similar policies. In the good old days one party followed socialism while the other followed the market economy. But today there is hardly any difference. Both parties say they are for an openeconomy. Ultimately governments are decided on the management of the economy during that particular period. If the PA manages the economy better, the PA will be elected and vice versa. It is the management that matters a lot and I think the UNP has a better management team. 

In 1994 we thought after the elections were over that Mrs. Sirimavo Bandaranaike will be made the prime minister. So there was a coup there. Because Mrs. Bandaranaike was the leader of PA, the SLFP and leader of the opposition. And we thought that she will be made the prime minister. So under the constitution she should have been called to be the prime minister. So in this party, from day one there has been conspiracy. It is true nobody took up this matter later on because we did not want to rock the boat at the initial stage itself. Chandrika did not even have the experience to take up that position. She was never a member of parliament. She was never a minister. It is like being captain of a team without playing with them.

Interviewpic2jpg.jpg (15531 bytes) "Ranil has a vision for the country" 

By Wilson Gnanadass

Major General Sarath Munasinghe, is quite well known to the media. Especially,during the time he served as the official media spokesman for the defence ministry, he not only became popular among some journalists but also earned the wrath of others for being the mouthpiece of the People's

Alliance government on defence matters. But now he feels this government, in which he served as a deputy speaker has done nothing to solve the ethnic crisis. Gen. Munasinghe, as a matter of fact, did not want to continue in politics after his brief experience as a member of parliament and deputy speaker under the PA government. He was planning to give up politics, when he was invited by the opposition leader to join hands with the UNP. "All what I want to do is to serve the people. With this intention I entered politics under the PA ticket but could not do much. With this intention I have now joined the UNP, and if I feel I cannot do much for my people, I will resign and stay at home," he told The Sunday Leader. 

Following are excerpts; 

Q: What made you decide to leave the SLFP and join the UNP? 

A: To begin with, I joined the SLFP just one year ago for the sake of contesting the election. I did not have any knowledge of politics but I had one thing in mind; to serve the people. I had only 37 days to campaign and finally I was elected to parliament and made the deputy speaker. But later I decided to quit the party and join the UNP. You see, I thought to myself as to what I could tell the people if I had to contest again under the PA. This was a big problem for me. I had a lot of difficulties during the past one year. I have been in my electorate throughout. And the sad part is that I could not simply meet the requirements of those who elected me to office. The pressing problem was employment. Fortunately, I had a few friends who could find employment for those who did not have any in my electorate. 

On the other hand the government did not approve me of enlisting my people for government jobs. The answer given by the government was that there weren't sufficient funds. This is one problem. The other thing is that although I am from Polgahawela, I hadn't seen the entire Polgahawela until I became a politician. I saw that this area was in a pathetic state though only 46 miles away from Colombo. People kept on asking for roads, electricity facilities and tube wells. I was thinking how innocent these people are and I wondered what I could do with my decentralised budget. I used the entire money on Polgahawela. I was sad that I could not do much for my people. But they were thrilled when I got a huge playground done for them. There was a vast area of mash and I managed to get the place done with the help of the army.

One day I invited the army to have a cultural show there, the likes of which Polgahawela people had never seen. The army personnel who came to Polgahawella came to my residence and said, "Sir, we are ready to do anything for you but how do we have the show because the place is a piece of mash." So I told them this is exactly why I wanted them to come over there. Then they enthusiastically cleaned up the whole area. They did a splendid job. Apart from these few things I could not do anything big. Also the majority of soldiers are from Kurunegala. They are either still fighting or retired. So most of the solider families came and asked me for so many favours which I simply could not do. I was helpless and sad. Then I thought I was wasting my time. Because my experience and knowledge could not be utilised in the manner in which I wanted to use it. Finally I decided to quit the party knowing well I will not be able to get anything more than this.

Thereafter I planned to quit politics. By this time the Opposition Leader Ranil Wickremesinghe had visited me at Polgahawela and had a chat with me. He was good enough to extend me an invitation. When I informed this to some of my friends, who were mostly PA supporters (not politicians) they in fact encouraged me to join the UNP. 

I took a great liking towards Mr.Ranil Wickremesinghe and I saw in him a vision for the country which prompted me to join him and work for the sake of the country. At this point I was relieved of a great pain of mind. Because when I was with the PA, I could not do much for my people. But now I have something to look forward to. Ultimately if nothing works well, I will resign and stay at home. I have a vision for this country and I need to fulfil it in someway. 

Q: You gave up a militarycareer before your retirement age to take up politics. Are you regretting your decision now? 

A: No. I have no regrets. I retired from the army on March 1, 2000, having completed 30 years and some months. I have been serving in most parts of the north and east and the most unforgettable experience if I may recollect is the Elephant Pass. Today it is a record that I am the only major general who served there for so many years. During this time I could keep 10,600 soldiers very happily. And I too was happy. Nevertheless, I decided to quit the army for very personal reasons. 

Let me tell you. There is a senior official in the army and he started to take revenge simply because of the fact that he was misbriefed by some other officials because I was the media spokesman. You know, when one becomes a media spokesman he becomes exposed in the media. And when these officials reported wrong things about me the senior official got carried away. He tried to do his maximum to cause me harm, so much so that he instigated an inquiry against me when I was the general officer commander in the east. The allegation was that I had used the public funds and the regimental funds amounting to 64,000 rupees during four months. That was February, March, April and May 1997. I must say that this is exactly how other officers have done. This particular official I am talking about, has done so many illegal things, and one day I will expose them. 

There was a ration fraud at that time and they got these officers to say that I wanted them to feed me and undercharge. But whatever the bill, I paid for it. For instance when I was at Elephant Pass, I ate the soldier's ration. In any case there wasn't anything else to eat. And this is what all the officers did. But this particular official whacked me based on this to tarnish my image. 

Then there was a court of inquiry comprising officers of his choice who had no experience whatsoever in the field. Finally, this official called me to pay this amount and I did pay. I paid this amount in instalments. Subsequently I was promoted and sent to the worst place in the army at that time, the most dangerous and the most strenuous - Elephant Pass. This particular official thought that I will die there. I think he underestimated my capabilities at that time. I must say this now that I am very much more capable than that man. 

Then I was promoted to the rank of major general. But after I was hurt, I thought it was not worth remaining in the army. And I quit. Now I am told that the soldiers who were there at that time with me are forced to tell certain things against me and I am also told that these same soldiers are going to come out with the truth. Not that I want them to, but they are going to do that. But this official that I am talking about has plundered millions of US dollars. So I am proud to say that the man who tried to accuse me said that I ate, drank and entertained friends to the tune of Rs. 64,000, within four months. That is why I asked for a re inquiry into this. Two months ago I gave a letter to the president. Nothing happened. Then again on October 7, I reminded her but so far nothing has happened. 

Q: As a career officer who rose to the rank of major general, what do you think of the war that is being conducted by Anuruddha Ratwatte, Lieutenant Colonel in a voluntary force promoted to the rank of general by his own niece, President Chandrika Kumaratunga? 

A: As a principle, I do not speak against anybody or any political party. This is why today I remain a free man. So I do not think I could talk about Anuruddha and the way he is conducting the war. But I have the right to talk of the war in which I have played a major role. We all know, even the world knows, that the execution of the war is unsatisfactory. I was horrified to learn about what happened to the Elephant Pass camp. When I was there it was like a kingdom. There were shopping complexes, we have sing-songs in the evenings, we had dinner parties and so on. So back at home when I learned about the fall of Elephant Pass I cried. Subsequently when Katunayake attack took place........I was shocked. Terribly shocked. I thought initially that there were about 1000 LTTErs who had come. Otherwise, I thought how could they have attacked a place like that? But, to see only about fifteen had come. So this is how the war is waged in this country. 

Q: Do you hope to be the deputy defence minister in a UNP government? 

A: No. Firstly, I want to help my area with the support of whatever government that is in power. I would like to get involved in civilian type of work. I would like to directly get involved in the lives of the soldiers. I want to help them and their families. 

Q: Your security was withdrawn after your announcement of quitting the party. Under what circumstances did you come to receive additional security from the president and how vulnerable are you now with the withdrawal of the security? 

A: Before answering the question let me tell you this. I was there at the President's House at a time when the decision was taken to dissolve parliament. That was around midnight and after that I left. I came back home and slept for awhile and I had to get back to parliament to clear my desk. I was using the same official car because I had no other vehicle. The previous day when I went the police there saluted me and let me go my way. But a few hours after the dissolution of parliament the police asked me to get down from the car and there was a body search done. The police asked for my identification card which I didn't have with me at that time. But in the meantime, the sergeant at arms had got to know this and he intervened finally and I was able to get access to parliament. I think an MP must be given access to parliament after he relinquishes office at least to clear his desk. 

Now let me answer your question. Well, when I retired from the army I quoted some of the letters sent by the intelligence officials regarding my security. The intelligence authority had warned that I was under the LTTE threat. So based on that the president was kind enough to provide me with security. Then when the security was removed from me, and when the army commander telephoned me, I told him that I am not entitled to security and that they should be withdrawn. I only wanted transport to send the men back to the base. And a bus was sent enabling me to send the security personnel back.

Q: The former Speaker is also reported to have told you he was going to join the PA and had tried to also dissuade you from joining the UNP before the dissolution of parliament. How would you respond to it? 

A: In fairness to Mr.Anura Bandaranaike, I must say that he did not prevent me from joining the UNP. He told me I could take any decision that suited me. 

Q: Do you intend contesting the general election from Kurunegala district?

A: Yes. The Kurunegala people know me and they made me feel that I could win the election. The people there did not seem to like the JVP pact with the PA. I can tell you this. Lot of PA supporters will be voting for me. 

Q: You were reported to have told the president recently that you will never leave the SLFP and that not even your dog would join the UNP. Is it correct and as an officer and a gentleman what made you go back on your pledge? 

A: I did say that I will not leave Her Excellency and that I will not betray Her Excellency. But when pressure mounted I asked for an appointment from the president's private secretary to inform her and to explain about my position which I still have not got. And about the dog story, I know who has written about it and I know the person who has done so. I will talk to him. But to tell you the truth I did not say this at any time.

 

 

 

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